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09/21/2007 12:12 AM  

This issue was not discussed at the open forum, but it seems like statute changes are going to happen, so I thought we should discuss this and include the issue in proposed changes or it may not happen for a while.

At present there is no clear requirement regarding how often a low-pressure boiler needs to be checked.  There was a law that covered this in the past but it was thrown out.  The old law required all low-pressure boilers to be checked every day.  This created a burden for people who owned small boilers; for example, at a 10-unit apartment building.  Paying someone to check the boilers every day caused some of these people to lose money on their operation overall due to the small amount of profit they had available to pay for the boiler checks.  Also, the boilers were pretty small in some cases and didn't really need to be checked every day.

On the other hand, there are currently no real requirements on how often low-pressure boilers are checked and some of these low-pressure plants are huge.

Can anyone come up with a plan that might make sense for low-pressure boilers?


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01/21/2012 7:00 PM  
Here I am inserting myself into another older thread.

I have read through what I suppose is the new State regs regarding Low Pressure Attendance Requirements as of 8/1/2008. Like most government written rules and regulations, this one seems to leave enough slack in the rope to possibly hang yourself.

My first question: Under PROCEDURES - Minnesota Rules - It states that the rules for attendance are made up between the Chief or Operating Engineer and the division of code Administration. However, under the Normal Work Days it is stated that only the Chief Engineer or the Engineer in Charge of the facility may reduce the requirements for attendance.

Secondly: Under Weekends and Holidays - It lists Severe Weather, Safety Concerns and Public Occupancy of the Building as times that the boiler "SHALL" be checked. Then under the same heading it states that No boiler will be left unattended for more than 48 hours.

Can someone please help me with this.
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01/22/2012 3:02 AM  
Can someone help you with this? ....no. Really, nobody can help you. The law has been impossible to decipher for years. I pushed for clarification for quite some time, and Joel's letter helps, but it still doesn't really provide actual rules to follow. I'm still pushing, but I don't think I will get there anytime soon.

This has been covered more completely in another post. View it here: http://www.sprungservices.com/Discussion/tabid/54/forumid/7/postid/2400/view/topic/Default.aspx

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01/22/2012 3:04 AM  

Oops.  That link wasn't clickable.

Try this one:

http://www.sprungservices.com/Discussion/tabid/54/forumid/7/postid/2400/view/topic/Default.aspx


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01/22/2012 9:26 PM  

It looks like a good old government "Catch 22".  It is written to make the engineer wrong in any instance, other than mandatory daily checks for all boilers.

It appears in all cases, Normal Workdays, Weekends and Holidays, any reduction of the daily checks is seemingly negated by the use of the word "SHALL".

 

 

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